Philadelphia: the Un-Hockiest City in the World



Philadelphia fans traveled to New York in 1999 to boo future star quarterback Donovan McNabb at the draft. They booed McNabb after he won the NFC title. In fact, Donovan McNabb may be the most booed man ever to win 65% of his games.

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As the Stanley Cup Finals wrapped up in Philadelphia last night, we in the television viewing audience got to witness another in a long series of disgraceful acts by Philly sports fans.

The arena-shaking boos that rained down as Lord Stanley’s Cup was carried onto the ice highlighted a classlessness that is unparalleled throughout the rest of the hockey world.  However, to understand the depths to which Philadelphia sports fans sink in order to maintain the image of “Worst Sports City in the World” we have to go back…

Way back.  All the way to 1949, in fact, for the first noteworthy self-shaming in Philly.

That was when the Philadelphia Phillies were forced to forfeit a game against the Giants after an onslaught of glass bottles from the stands lasted over 15 minutes.

At the 15-minute mark, fans were surely finishing freshly-purchased containers to rain down onto the playing field, and umpires wisely ended the contest.  This first (and only) attempt at public art in Philadelphia was widely misinterpreted as anger at a blown call against Hall of Fame Phillies outfielder Richie Ashburn.

By the 1960’s Phillies fans had learned to focus their rage.

Dick Allen, the first prominent African-American player to don a Phillies uniform, was initially only the subject of racial epithets and casual obscenities when he joined the team in 1963.

That all changed when white teammate (also a noted bully & racist) Frank Thomas whacked Allen with a baseball bat during practice and a fist-fight ensued.  Thomas was subsequently fired from the team, and Philadelphia’s fan base responded by throwing fruit, ice, trash and flashlight batteries at Allen… every time he took the field.  The abuse prompted Allen to wear a batting helmet while fielding, earning him the nickname “Crash Helmet”.

By the late 60’s Philadelphia’s bad manners had spread to the NFL’s Franklin Field, where the Philadelphia Eagles were wrapping up a 2-12 season.

The halftime entertainment was supposed to be a cheery Santa Claus, but the man hired to play Santa never showed.  (Conversation with agent: “You booked me where?” “Philadelphia. Franklin Field for halftime at the Eagles game.” “Well I ain’t showin. That’s a death sentence. Those people are awful. I’d rather be in Jersey.”)  The hired Santa is reputed to have spent the day at a racing track in New Jersey.

The Eagles responded by picking a fan out of the crowd who was already dressed as Santa, handing him a large sack, and sending him out onto the field.  Because the float that was supposed to convey Santa Claus around the field got stuck in mud and slush, fan-Santa had to hoof it.  By the time 20-year-old Frank Olivo reached the south end of the stadium, hundreds of snowballs were raining down on him from all sides and heights.

“That’s when the booing started,” recalled Olivo. “At first, I was scared because it was so loud. But then I figured, hey, it was just good-natured teasing. I’m a Philadelphia fan, I knew what was what.”

If Franklin Field was bad, though, Veterans Stadium was pure hell.

It was due to the notorious violence and bloodshed in the 700 level of The Vet that Philadelphia became the first NFL team to build a courthouse and jail within the confines of its stadium.  The court, complete with a regular judge, expedited the weekly trips by Eagles fans from seats to cells.

But the proud tradition of going to a sporting event to make a monumental ass of yourself and your city had only just begun.

Philadelphia fans traveled to New York  in 1999 to boo future star quarterback Donovan McNabb at the draft.  They booed McNabb after he won the NFC title.  In fact, Donovan McNabb may be the most booed man ever to win 65% of his games.

Philadelphia booed the World Series Champion Phillies at the ring celebration, and brawls broke out as the title flag was raised at Citizens Bank Park.  They booed Sarah Palin as she dropped the ceremonial puck at a Flyers game last year, and they booed NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman as he walked onto the ice last night.

The only thing that Philadelphia fans have ever certifiably cheered for was Michael Irvin’s career-ending neck injury.  As the Hall of Fame receiver lay crumpled on the Veterans Stadium turf, Philadelphia broke into a rousing round of applause.

So it was no surprise when Flyers fans booed the Cup.

Nor when they booed the Conn Smythe Trophy and its presentation to Finals MVP Jonathan Toews.

It was not surprising when they booed as Bettman congratulated the Flyers on an excellent season, or when they booed (louder) as former Flyers player and draft pick Patrick Sharp hoisted the One True Cup jubilantly over his head.

No classless, horrendous act is surprising in Philadelphia after a fan intentionally vomited on an 11-year-old girl in May, another sprinted around the Citizens Bank field before getting tasered to the ground in April, and yet another drank from a beer bottle in June… did I mention that this particular beer-drinking Phillies fan was 4 years old?

It is expected now.  Par for the course.  A shame in the Land of Shame.

So when Flyers fans disgraced a noble presentation (The Cup) in a still-noble sport (hockey) it was not surprising.  But it was still disgraceful.  Still a pathetic example of a sports fan base with no regard for tradition, honor, or even their own players and teams.

As Flyers and Blackhawks players skated shoulder-to-shoulder after the game shaking hands in a long line of respectful sportsmanship that dates back more than a century, the Philadelphia fans booed.

Players who had moments before been waging bloody warfare, driving each others bodies into boards and ice, were still respectful of the game itself and of their fellow players who gave as much to get this far.  So these ice warriors congratulated each other on having played their hearts out for the game they love.

And Philadelphia booed…

The contrast could not have been more striking.

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  • Sean

    Gary Bettman is hated by a good chunk of fans around the NHL so I would suggest that the fans were booing him rather than Toews or the Cup. Bettman’s decision to adopt an NBA-style draft lottery in 2007 meant that the Flyers lost out on drafting Patrick Kane with the 1st pick. Then he goes and scores the winning goal for the ‘Hawks. Bettman gets booed whenever he steps on the ice in many arenas so this wasn’t unusual.

  • Proud Flyers Fan

    As a Flyers season ticket holder who was in the building for the heartbreaking loss last night, I have to defend my fellow fans. All cities have stupid fans who do stupid things. But only Philly gets negatively stereotyped time and time again for the actions of a few. (And I will set aside the lazy excuse for “journalism” that always has to drag out the booing of the fake drunken Santa Claus, blah, blah, blah)

    First of all, the fans booed Gary Bettman, NOT the Stanley Cup. We are passionate, knowledgeable hockey fans. We understand what that trophy means, and when it is again lifted by players in orange and black it will be among our greatest memories. I spoke to many people who were excited just to know that the Cup was in the building (we just didn’t want to see it last night). And if you’ve watched any hockey in the last decade, you would know that fans EVERYWHERE boo Gary Bettman.

    Regarding the Conn Smythe, if the boos were indeed for Toews (and not Bettman or general frustration at the loss which I think is more likely) general consensus was that he was undeserving of the award. He played well to get the Hawks to the Finals, but was absolutely invisible in this series. There were other Chicago players more deserving (Keith for example).

    And what no one outside of Philly will ever acknowledge is the reaction of the crowd to this Flyers team that took us on a wild inexplicable playoff journey from shootout to Cup Finals– a loud standing ovation, “Let’s Go Flyers” chant and the recognition that we all witnessed something incredibly special this postseason.

    I am proud to be a Flyers fan.

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      You’ll get no argument from me that Bettman deserves to get booed. But almost as many fans were booing when the Cup was handed to Jonathan Toews. You can’t tell me that’s anything but blatant disrespect for the traditional sense of honor exhibited by NHL players and fans since the league’s inception.

      Interestingly, though, the Flyers themselves are a helluva hockey team. They made a great run, and are really a solid goaltender and another prolific goalscorer (Briere can only do so much) away from another deep playoff run. The organization brought in Pronger and got a lot of criticism for the cost, but Chris was just one of a slew of cagey veterans that came to Philly in the last two seasons. It was a team philosophy to bring in tough, experienced hockey players, and the result was one great scoring line and three great energy lines.

      So, hats off to your team and to any real hockey fans in Philadelphia. I have no doubt there are many. But the fact remains that the bulk of Philadelphia sports fans now revel in this “bad boy fan” image to the point of disrespect or outright violence.

  • Hawks Fan

    I went to Game 4 in Philly and must concur that it was a fairly rude experience. The Flyers fans were aggressive (verbally and physically) to a couple guys in our group that were wearing Hawks jerseys. I even witnessed an employee of the Wachovia center lean over the escalator and yell “a**hole” to someone wearing a hawks jersey. It seems the organization plays to it. They handed out Orange shirts that proclaimed “most intimidating fans”, they ran many promos on the large center ice TV monitors featuring hockey fights. Also when there were fans being ejected behind us for trying to pick a fight with a hawk fan and his girlfriend, they played the song from Rocky.

    I must say there were many fans that were pleasant…. they warned us of the risks the other fans posed…

  • Red Wings boo’d the Penguins??? no bettman
  • Hobie

    How could you forget their treatment of Jackie Robinson?
    Read Jackie’s autobiography. Richie Ashburn admitted intentionally breaking Jackie’s skin with his spikes.
    And their manager Ben Chapman was almost banned from baseball for encouraging mistreatment of Jackie.

    Roy Campenella who lived within walking distance of the ballpark could not get a tryout with the team.

    Philadelphia’s revered Connie Mack was a man who did not respect African-Americans.Yet there is a statute honoring him in front of their stadium.

    I could go on, but let me end with my experience at a Philles’s game. Three men wearing three-piece suits, took offense to my cheering for my team,the Dodgers. Unknown to me they relieved themselves using beer cups and soaked my sports jacket with their urine. They also called Dodger players the “N” word.

    Sad

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      I had never heard about the mistreatment of Jackie. Thanks much for the info.

      It sounds like you encountered the cream of the Philadelphia sports crop in those three gentlemen. The typical Philly fans prefer brute violence to using simple tools.

  • Flyersrule

    I am an avid Philadelphia sports fan who has witnessed my fair share of inexcusable acts at games, however I am disgusted and down right pisses at this irresponsible attempt at journalism. Their are idiots in every city (google cubs opening day or Montreal…where’s the fine journalism on that one?) that spoil ones experience. Live a day in the life of a passionate fan and then report on other cities “shotfalls”.

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      Well, I am an avid Colorado sports fan who has never witnessed anything close to the stories mentioned in the news and in comments responding to this article.

      Feel free to throw unfounded charges of “irresponsible journalism” around, but I’m actually only reporting a handful of instances where there are literally THOUSANDS of documented stories of Philadelphia fans disrespecting the games being played, the players playing them, the fans of opposing teams, and even their fellow fans. It’s easy to to say, “Others do it too!” but the fact is that no American city’s fans are as disrespectful, violent & hateful on average as sports fans in Philadelphia.

  • Tiffany

    Wow. They did NOT boo the Phillies at the WS ring ceremony, I was there. Many people booed Adam Eaton! No one else! He had a 6.10 era, and lost more games than he won that year. He was so bad, he was left off the playoff roster in 2007 and 2008. AND in 2008 they basically paid him 9 million bucks NOT to play! He basically stole $23 million from the team, plus the cost of that 103 diamond ring. He should have NEVER been at the ceremony, he could have just declined to come for the ceremony! The team won IN SPITE of him. I went and watched him play in Reading [Reading Phillies, which is one of the Phillies minor league teams] during that year, he gave up 7 runs in about 4 or 5 innings to MINOR LEAGUERS!! And awas getting paid 9 million bucks to do it!

    AND the boy that supposedly drank from the bottle it was empty. You can tell by watching it, nothing is moving in the bottle. He must have picked it up by accident, because his horrible parents or whoever was there with him were clearly not paying attention. I was at that game also, people make it sound like there are 4 year olds all over the stands getting trashed.

    So, if your going to write an article, don’t just make it full of hate and half-lies please.

    Why not mention last year when that cute little girl accidently threw the foul ball her dad caught over the railing, and got scared when everyone gasped and her dad gave her a big hug to show her it was okay.

    Why not mention when Michael Jordan played his last game in philadelphia against the sixers, he got a standing ovation and the entire crowd chanted that they wanted him on the court for the last play.

    Why not mention Brian Dawkins getting a HUGEEE standing ovation and EVERYONE cheering and screaming for him when he came back to play AGAINST the Eagles last winter when he was playing for Denver.

    Why not mention how everyone cheered for Pat Burrell at the ring ceremony, even though he was at the time, a member of the Rays, who the Phillies had just beaten!?!

    Why not mention how when Allen Iverson came back to Philly with his new team to play against the 76ers, he came out, kissed the logo on the court. And received a standing ovation.

    The Michael Irvin thing was horrible, and any of those people who cheered should be punched in the face. I’m making no excuses for them. nor for that nasty guy who puked on that child, but those things don’t happen everyday. And I get sick of hearing “oh they booed santa claus, they are so horrible”. MOST people weren’t even alive to see that happen, and have no clue what they are even talking about, because I highly doubt they were watching the team on television to see any of it. They only know what fans have told them. You also should know before you go and write about the Jackie Robinson thing that yes the Phillies were one of the worst teams to him [no defending that], BUT that was a different time, his own teammates refused to play with him at first because he was African American, their coach forced them to. And Sarah Palin should have known Philly is a democratic city, and she shouldn’t be trying to turn a game into a political stop. [To be honest even a democrat would get booed if he did what she did. Politicians shouldn't be involved in pre-game events]. Why do reporters/bloggers/writers love writing about how horrible Philly is, don’t they have anything to write about their own teams and fans an how amazing and kind and perfect they are?

    I was at an away game w/ the Phils vs. the Blue Jays in Toronto back in 2006, and I saw a probably 8 year old kid in front of us give a maybe 65 year old woman [who was also a Phillies fan a couple rows up from the kid] the middle finger and told her to go the ef home, but Phillies fans don’t go and whine about how they are treated so no one cares. I don’t see anyone mentioning how a fan at the Chicago Cubs game dumped a cup of beer on Shane Victorino while he was trying to make a catch last year in the outfield. I don’t see you mention how 2 fans jumped on the the field in Chicago and attacked/beat up the Royals 1st base coach Tom Gamboa, they only mention how a silly 17 year old senior ran onto a field in circles and got tazed. I don’t see anyone mentioning how the fans at yankee stadium BOOOED Chase Utley during the homerun derby the other year, [thats just as bad as booing while the cup is being handed out, because that game is done just for fun, it doesn't affect any teams standings]. Why doesn’t anyone mention how the JETS FANS CHEERED when Tom Brady got hurt. their one newspaper even published “yahoo brady out for year”. They also cheered when Chad Pennington got hurt.

    Don’t believe me?
    http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/10343693

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/08/new-york-post-classy-as-always-sorta-celebrates-tom-bradys-in/

    I’ll even give ya one you missed. J.D. Drew, Philly can’t stand him, because he thought he was to good to play for us back when they drafted him like 13 years ago. He was our #1 draft pick and he refused to sign, and re-entered the draft the next year. He gets booed anytime he goes up to bat, or catches a ball in CBP.

    OHHH and heres another you missed, Kobe Bryant. The media trys to make him into our “hometown hero”. When in reality most people here don’t like or respect him. He gets booed anytime he touches the ball in the 76ers court. Because he is a rapist, and a ball hog, and thinks he is to good for everyone. Plus during the 2001 NBA FINALS he said he was coming to philly to rip the fans hearts out. Who says that? I mean I’ve never heard him say that about Boston or anyone else, only his “hometown”.

    Sorry I had to get all that off my chest. I don’t mean to sound like I’m attacking you, I just get tired of being stereotyped for what some stupid people do. I’m a proud 4 for 4 Philly sports fan [meaning fan of Phillies, Eagles, Sixers, Flyers], and I think its unfair how everyone assumes I’m a jerk who hates everyone and worships the devil and eats babies or something ridiculous like that. I’m 21 years old and I get blamed/judged because some people my grandfathers age once booed a fake santa at a game. :(

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      You bring up a lot of great points about how terrible other sports fans are, and the little girl with her dad behind home plate was a pretty heart-warming moment. But the fact that the Flyers were marketing to their own fans’ self-image as the bullies of the sports-fan universe speaks volumes about how ingrained the sense of “anything goes” is for many of your region’s fans.

      And Allen Iverson was just reliving his glory days as a ball-hogging egomaniac when he kissed the court and got a standing ovation. Philadelphia fans cheered egomaniac Iverson, but have NEVER given an iota of support to a hometown player that also happens to be the best basketball player of his generation. Kobe is an ass, but his 2001 statement came after being brutalized by Philadelphia fans and the Philadelphia media for his entire playing career to that point.

      And Bryant was never convicted as a rapist. I watched that whole media circus unfold, and it was a sham from the beginning. Without discussing the dirty details here, that girl had been around THAT NIGHT before she ended up willingly walking into Bryant’s hotel room. Got no love for Kobe, but it sure seems like he was framed (poorly) on that one.

  • kg

    Hey its one thing for a fan base to have a bad day or a bad season or whatever…but look at yourselves in the mirror Philly. As a hockey fan I found the booing to be absolutely disrespectful. Now I’m not saying that all Philly fans are like that. I’m sure there are plenty of respectful fans, however the film footage is there… the fans of Philadelphia couldn’t extend the same respect that Chicago would have extended them. Philadelphia needs to take a look at itself and wonder why they feel compelled to act this way. There is such a thing as losing with dignity. What kind of message is that to your kids? I watched the Stanley Cup Ceremony 3 times already and still can’t get over how shameful this city treated its opponent.

  • Tiffany

    Philly is the worst, There is no doubt about it. But they can also be the best, as much hate as they can show, they can show that much love. Look at how Pat Burrell said earlier this year he was basically sick of playing in Tampa because the fans don’t care. He loved when Philly booed him, because atleast it showed that they cared. I’m not saying anywhere else is worse than them, I would say theres some who are just as bad, its just the media forgets about them, or other people are allowed to make excuses for them but not for Philly.

    But Philly could go and be quite, sit on their hands all game, not speak for 5 years. and EVERYONE would still bring up santa and the michael irvin thing, no one can get over it so Philly fans just stop trying to hide it. There are rarely fans who are “proud of it” and most articles incinuate that they are. Just like how Philly is full of sore losers [thats what we are, we don't like losing, an we always lose, soo we take it out on everyone else, so they can be as miserable as us], the country is full of people who feel the need to point the fingers at others and make fun and not forgive. And NO ONE knows how Chicago would have treated Philly. Philly hasn’t won any championship at an away city since like 1975. And the thing is, we wouldn’t CARE if you booed them, the players wouldn’t care either, because they got their championship. Everyone in the world is so sensitive nowadays to everything. Its classy to photoshop hockey players into dresses and publish it on the front page of newspapers?

    And I would not say “most fans” or the “bulk of fans” are bad and violent. There are some, more than their should be. But its not like something really bad happens every game because theres so many violent people…theres maybe 2 or 3 things a year. [which I agree is more than should happen!] but people exagerate and act like every game someone is puked on and having a battery thrown at them], its Maybe a thousand or so, for teams that have over a million fans. Its the majority, that are like me and a few other people who have commented on this site trying to get you to not judge us all, and realize we’re not all like that. I have season tickets to the eagles and the phillies currently and have never booed. Even when JD Drew or TO comes to town. Even when the team is getting shut out 2 to 0. I might get frustrated but I chill out and deal, I’ve gone to games with friends who were cubs fans, mets fans, yankees fans, cowboys fans, giants fans. And when they sat down and just watched the game no one cared, but when they got up and were screaming for the other team saying how much better they were, then philly fans got ticked off and would yell [not fight, but yell]. I’m a college graduate, and I’ve never drank beer in my life, and would never try to fight with anyone.

  • Proud Flyers Fan

    I don’t know why I’m bothering, but…

    Generalize much? How many sporting events have you attended in Philadelphia to come to the conclusion that “the bulk of Philadelphia sports fans now revel in this “bad boy fan” image to the point of disrespect or outright violence”? YES, there are some bad seeds who attend games in Philadelphia. But YES, the majority of fans just want to watch the game, and are just as horrified and embarrassed by the idiots as those from outside of Philadelphia. The fact is, stupidity happens at every sporting event, everywhere, but it is only “news” when it involves Philadelphia.

    To use just a few examples from these same Stanley Cup Playoffs: where was the article about the New Jersey Devils fans who cheered when Ian Laperriere blocked a shot that hit him in the orbital bone so hard that he thought he had lost his eye and bruised his brain? Those fans cheered as he was led off the ice, bleeding, with what could have been a vision- and career-ending injury? Where was the righteous indignation at the Bruins fans who threw so much trash at the Flyers players at the end of Game 7 that they could barely do post-game interviews? Should they not have respected the game and hockey’s “traditional sense of honor” and cheered for what the Flyers team had just accomplished?

    Where was the coverage of the emotional standing ovations that Ian Laperriere and Brian Boucher experienced at subsequent home games after their injuries? Or more recently, the reception that Michael Leighton received when he attended a Phillies home game the day after losing in the Cup Finals? You won’t see these stories outside of Philadelphia, because they go against the preconceived notion that we are “disrespectful, violent and hateful.”

    Yes, there have been some unfortunate incidents at sporting events here. But like someone mentioned above, when your team routinely draws more than a million fans in a season, some of them are going to be idiots.

    I am a female sports fan, and I have lived in several different states and overseas. I have attended amateur and pro sporting events in all of those places, and have witnessed fans behaving badly at all of them. I do not excuse obscene or violent behavior, but I feel like a visiting fan has a responsibility to conduct themselves with civility– if you come into OUR house and shout insults to OUR team and OUR fans, you should expect to take a bit of verbal abuse. When I show up at an away game wearing the colors of my team, I expect a certain level of good-natured harassment. That’s part of the fun. If you want to have a spirited yet civil discussion about the teams and the sport, even better. If you want to give me the finger, fine, I will ignore you. But I do NOT expect to be threatened or called vulgar and sexist names, all of which have happened to me (unprovoked) on more than one occasion.

    I have not watched the TV feed of the Cup presentation; it is too painful. So I do not know how the cheers vs. boos played over the airwaves. Sure, some people booed. But the majority of us either stood in stunned silence, clapped politely for the Blackhawks, or showed our support for our team. I’m no audio expert, but I think it is safe to assume that the sound of booing carries much more clearly than stunned silence; of course that is what you would hear on TV.

    And @ Hawks fan: was that your first NHL game? Every NHL game I’ve ever been to, in Philly and elsewhere, showed videos of hockey fights. Also, they were not playing the “Rocky” theme because people were being ejected or picking a fight with Hawks fans… they play it at every game. Sometimes more than once. “Rocky” is a Philadelphia institution (as evidenced by the throngs of tourists running up the Art Museum stairs) and has an iconic theme that is often used at sporting events, not just in Philadelphia. Finally, the shirts they handed out at Game 4 said nothing about intimidating fans. (Though we do take pride in that label– polls of NHL players have consistently named the Wachovia Center as one of the most intimidating places to play. Why is it that when the Bell Centre is called intimidating, it is an example of the knowledge and passion of the Habs fans, but when our building is seen as intimidating, it is because we are violent and hateful?) The Game 4 shirts had a picture of Kate Smith on the front with the slogan “Broad St Believin’.” Doesn’t sound very rude or aggressive to me. Other slogans this postseason included “Ready to Rock,” “Relentless Pursuit of History” and “Don’t Stop Believing.” Look out, those thug Philly fans have shirts with a Journey song title on them…

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      I appreciate your measured response, and apologize for broadly attacking Philadelphia fans when clearly Doc P and his band of Merry Men are going around mucking it up for everybody else.

      For what it’s worth, I think that every sports city in the Northeast draws an inordinate amount of scumbags and idiots to their games, and Philadelphia does get a bad wrap. Plus the “he’s from Jersey” defense does work about half the time. (As was the case with the Mad Puker.) You’ll also never hear me attack the shear passion of Philadelphia fans, especially as a driving force in the motivation of players. The rabid NY media and fans somehow turned sniveling little Eli Manning into a winner, so I never doubt the positive effects of negative reinforcement in sports.

      Still, I have NEVER heard booing during a Cup Ceremony. When Detroit had to watch Sid & Crew skate around their home ice with the Cup last year, they were either silent or politely clapping. Even in Florida when my Avalanche finished sweeping the Panthers out of the Finals, there were no boos during the ceremony… and most Florida fans know next to nothing about hockey. They had every reason to lose it, but instead sat in quiet awe for their one chance (ever) to see the Cup live and in person. Chicago would have undoubtedly shown the same respect as an Original Six city with a deeply ingrained hockey culture and respect for the traditional honor therein.

      It’s just bad form. And when that many people boo it’s either a general classlessness or intentional disrespect.

  • Doc P’s Crushed Balls

    Dear Ian,
    Let’s start by assuming a guy with such a queer name has even a basic knowledge of sports outside of cricket and grab-a$$. Next let’s assume that said alleged “sports expert” and obvious closet dendrophiliac has spent an hour in Philadelphia outside of a layover. Even with those generous allowances, your article is bland, uninsightful and a rehash of the flaccid mockery spewed by the type of sports fan who only supports his team when they win. The parallel you attempt to draw between our treatment of the biggest choke artist to ever quarterback a perennial playoff contender goes nowhere… much like your career as a journalist I’m sure. What, couldn’t you find anything to write about concerning the dynamic sports environment in Colorado? Maybe if you weren’t so busy stealing lines from the blogs of 14 year-old Cowboys fans, you would have some time to form an original idea? Just a thought. Spend a weekend in Philadelphia attending a Phillies game instead of watching clips on YouTube and you’ll see that Philly has more respect and more passion for tradition and heritage than your wife has for you. Actually, on second thought… don’t come to Philly. Someone would probably vomit on you.

    • http://www.prosportscolorado.com Jason Ackerman

      Let’s see…
      In one paragraph, you managed to attack the author’s sexuality, name, wife, journalism… and most heinous of all, compared him to a Cowboys fan.

      Stay classy, Philly. Stay classy.

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      I’ve been to Philadelphia twice (never on a layover) between games of grabass in other eastern cities.

      It’s a fine town. Had a great time walking the streets. Caught a show at a dive in the historic waterfront district. Got called a “f***ing bum” by a guy in a suit in the central part of downtown for standing on a street corner taking a picture, but other than that have had nothing but good experiences in the city itself.

      And some day I’ll make my way to a Phillies game as part of my quest to visit every MLB ballpark. It is my sincere hope that we can meet there and then to make some shocking news together. I’ll throw the first punch, of course, but the terribly biased media who always has it out for Philadelphia will report that a crazed Philly fan, fresh from a wild tree-humping frenzy in Western Pennsylvania, tried to impose his latent homoerotic urges on a saintly Rockies fan only to be soundly beaten into Ashburn Alley concrete.

      You’ll make a folk hero of me yet, Mr. Crushed Balls.

  • Proud Flyers Fan

    Ugghhh… @Doc P:

    I love this city, the teams, and the fans, but– way to make his point for him.

  • Sherry in Philly

    I was at the Ring Ceremony and the flag ceremony. I really have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You realize “Raaauuuuuulll!” isn’t booing, right?

    When I think of Phillies fans I think of our players who consider us the “10th man” because of our vocal support. I think of 46 thousand rally towels buzzing in the air during the playoffs, so much that lint flew like snow showers. I thank them for the 860 thousand dollars they with the players, staff and coaches raised for ALS. I think of all the strangers I high five at games, and the people who all, badly, sing with Harry Kalas to ‘High Hopes’ when we win. I think to all the people who give foul balls to little kids, and those folks in sec 138 who gave directions and friendly tourist advice to a hoard of Sox fans.

    I will never, ever be ashamed to wear red pinstripes.

  • Tiffany

    @ Doc P

    I get what you were trying to say…but you could have taken a better approach. Its one thing to try to reasonably debate your point and show your opinion, its another to attack the writer and call him names and say someone would puke on him.

    BTW. please get over Donovan not winning us a SB in all his years. Thats what happens when you only have maybe 2 years with a good WR. And your coach decides you don’t need a running game and the weight of the world needs to be on the QB. Granted he wasn’t perfect, and he didn’t have a tough enough skin to truly be as loved in Philly as some others have been, he was never treated or appreciated the way he should have been. From day 1 some people never even gave him a chance.

    • http://spacesbetween.spaces.live.com Ian Cerveny

      Ya know, all this conversation about poorly behaved Philadelphia fans aside, I never really had a personal issue with anything aside from the Irvin injury cheering and the way the fans and media treated Donovan all these years. McNabb has been making so-so receivers look great his entire career, and I can’t wait to watch Desean Jackson’s numbers plummet in 2010.

      You have to be able to run the ball with consistency to win a Championship, and the Eagles never did. Always had to use misdirection to get Westbrook into open space, never had a great push up the middle. Take away the deep threats and Andy Reid’s offense is anemic. Here’s hoping McNabb can get a ring before what’s left of his arm expires.

  • http://www.prosportscolorado.com Jason Ackerman

    I was going to say something similar about McNabb. I’m no Philly fan, and I’m not even much of a McNabb fan, but you can’t deny the guy’s got talent and hasn’t had the team around him to win the big one.

    It feels so similar to Elway to me. The guy had all the talent, and was already considered one of the best to play the game, but until Shanahan came in with a system, and they finally added a running attack to be feared, Elway couldn’t get over the hump either. The skills of football players vary so much from position to position, that it’s the ultimate team game.

    Elway got his rings because the environment was correct – including the players around him. McNabb may not ever get that perfect storm, but you can’t justify running him out of town because Andy Reid and the management couldn’t get him a ring.

  • Tiffany

    I agree w/ Ian and Jason. Its not all his fault, Donovan basically turned this team around, no one thinks about the fact that they were 3-13 PRE-donovan. I loved him as a qb, although he sometimes frustrated me [like when he revealed he didn't know a game could end in a tie] And although I can’t wish for the redskins to win a SB since their rivals, I wish nothing but the best for Donovan/his family and hope the fans there appreciate him there. Most fans blamed to much on him, but there are plenty of fans that loved him. If you went to a game prolly half the people there had Mcnabb jerseys on.

    And as for Kobe [glad to see you think he's an ass too, haha]…maybe he didn’t rape her, maybe he did [its his word/her word thing, none of us will know, its like Michael Jackson [may he rest in peace], all people can do is take sides.] IMO he’s just as much of an egocentric ball hog as Iverson, he averaged just as many points as Iverson for their careers, and Iverson managed more assists per game in their careers, but others diss A.I. for it and enbrace Kobe for it.. Philly is a good example of a place thats wants you to be talented/give it your all, but also be a good tough-skinned person to be truly loved/respected [and thats why A.I. is/was loved.

    Most don't even consider Kobe hometown..they consider him born in Philly, raised in italy, then moved back to the rich burbs at age 11. People kinda like rags to riches stories, and blue collar families, whereas Kobe reminds most people of that rich kid in school whose parents gave him everything he wanted. While you're workin at mcdonalds in HS, saving money for a car or w/e.. he's taking Brandi to his prom, and working out in the 76ers court for free. The city hoped he'd go to a local college to play college ball, but he was to good for that... [He even said if he had gone to college it wouldn't be in Philly, from then on basically he was disliked, thats where it started] He wasn’t happy just getting drafted by a team, he HAD to go to the lakers and would only play there. The only time he’s ever even repped Philly is when he wore a Donovan jersey saying he’d love to be his wide receiver, and when he says his style of play is “as Philly as it gets”. So Kobe is on bad terms with most people [but there are people who still like him and/or respect him greatly as a player]. But for most..for our basketball hometown hero we’d take Wilt Chamberlain over Kobe anyday.

    Sorry if I took things too personal, its just me [and alot of the other philly fans who have responded] put up with reading articles like this all the time, and feel like they are biased and mean, because the writers don’t always know the full story. We know most of the things can’t be defended, but we feel the need to atleast speak up anyway. We want people to realize there are good, smart, passionate fans in Philly, not just bad, stupid, passionate fans. And there are reasons for why we feel certain ways about certain things. [and as for booing at the cup, I would have just stayed silent, I could NOT bring myself to cheer for another team, but I know booing would only bring bad publicity to the city yet again. so I'm not disagreeing w/ you on that].

    BTW if you would do that at a Phillies game..that is what the media would do, hahaha. try it I bet ya it will. In all serious-ness, if you do decide to go to CBP for a Phils game, I highly recommend seats in sections 101-106, they have a great view of the park/scoreboard, aren’t as expensive, are right by an entrance/exit, right by ashburn alley, and they are right by Chickie & Petes Crab Fries, which you HAVE to try [with the melted cheese], they are amazingly delicious :)

  • Rebecca

    Two years ago I (Flyers fan) took my mom (Pens fan) to a playoff game in Philly. I love sports and have been to a few away games in a variety of sports and levels so I fully anticipate being yelled at and booed. With Philly’s reputation for being bad fans, I was a little worried since she was wearing a Crosby jersey. Not one person said anything mean to us. In fact, most people found it amusing. True we were both females and I was in my LeClair jersey…

    Philly fans are passionate and if you are not living up to expectations or dis the city/teams they will boo you. Other cities have just as many bad fans (if you thinking booing is bad than riots must really be poor form):
    Montreal riots last year, WVU football riots, the people killing the Colombian soccer player, Miss. St fans throwing bottles at Kentucky basketball players earlier this year, Dback fans throwing objects at Rockies players, Inter Milan fans throwing flares onto the field hitting a goalkeeper, and I’ve heard lots of things about University of Colorado fans